01541: PITS get reported and never get accepted and distributed, or rejected, or achived from PITS lists

Summary: PITS get reported and never get accepted and distributed, or rejected, or achived from PITS lists
Created: 2026-03-19 19:02
Status: Awaiting feedback
Category: Other
From: gnuzoo
Assigned:
Priority: 5
Version: all
OS: all

Description:

How long do PITS have to wait to be responded to?

https://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PITS/PITS

Some have been listed since 2004: https://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PITS/00045

Isn't the goal to address all PITS?
Accept, deactivate, respond, suspend, reject, note, close, report progress, update, archive.

What good is setting priority number 1-5, when everything anyone wants done is always top priority?

What good is the pseudo-voting when votes are not validated, nothing keeps anyone from voting more than one time.

What good is it to report if nothing ever gets done or responded to?

This one has not been commented on since its initial reporting
months ago: https://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PITS/01528

gnuzoo

About "nothing ever gets done"

The statement that "nothing ever gets done" is incorrect.

Please review Closed entries and Change Log for a record of completed work. PmWiki has been actively maintained for many years, and continues to be.

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Contributed by Petkoa2007a200820092010201120122013201420152016201720182019202020212022202320242025b2026totals
Subversion commits  14212490466161614912635141522043582052412971122405
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About response times

There is no guaranteed response time for PITS entries.

PmWiki is developed and maintained on a volunteer basis. Reports are handled when time and priorities allow. Some items are addressed quickly, others take longer, and some are not acted on.

The presence of older entries does not indicate neglect; it reflects prioritization.

Project priorities

Work is prioritized as follows:

  1. bug fixes
  2. PHP compatibility and maintenance
  3. documentation and support
  4. extensibility (hooks, recipes)
  5. new core features (evaluated carefully)

Not all feature requests align with these priorities.

About priority levels (1-5)

Priority values are advisory only.

They are interpreted in context and do not determine outcomes. Assigning the highest priority to issues that are minor or already solvable locally reduces the usefulness of the system.

About voting

Voting is informal and not used as a binding mechanism.

Decisions are based on the quality of the report, clarity of the use case, and overall impact - not on vote counts alone.

Expectations for PITS

PITS is a reporting and discussion tool, not a task queue with guaranteed outcomes.

Submitting a report does not imply that it will be implemented, scheduled, or receive ongoing updates.

Constructive, specific, and well-documented reports are far more likely to be considered.

Final note

If you believe a specific entry deserves attention, the most effective approach is to provide additional technical detail, a clear use case, or publish and support a recipe.

General complaints about the system or its pace do not help move issues forward.


<rant mode on>
I agree mostly with you 99.99999%, but when a PITS has been on the system for 21 years, I think it might be time to retire it.
" Some have been listed since 2004: 00045 " has a dead link to a non-existing website.
I think some PITS should expire after so many years.

01528 after seeing at the bottom of PmWiki/Links "How can I make a link that prompts the user to download a file instead of opening it in the browser?".
This is in the HTML standard and should be part of the core. Simple to add I might think. Please address that? Maybe there is
something I don't understand about it, but the silence is deafening. I was rather pleased you added
01543 after 1 or 2 days. 01528 has been months without a peep from anyone.

I do not feel I am complaining but more discussing. I want to see PmWiki keep up more with modern methods.
Anything with flash should be eliminated. Why is that even an issue? Do people really use flash still?

Saying "nothing gets done" is incorrect. But PmWiki has been in development since 2002 and there is still no
native way to add a video to a page. You have to install a recipe/plugin and some recipe/plugins require you to install
another recipe/plugin, and so eventually every thing becomes a recipe/plugin, and everyone must learn Apache and PHP and
HTML and CSS and Regular Expressions and Linux etc. Uploads using Attach: cannot use subdirectories you are stuck using page
names and group names for directories, but if you don't want that, just dump all your files into one directory.
PmWiki is powerful and a great tool, but it seems there is always another plugin or CSS or Regex when something does
not work the way you wish it would. Make APE part of the core. A few times you have said to add a PITS suggestions
in other pages. I am confused? Do PITS pages get more attention? Does PM pay more for doing PITS?

I am contributing recipes and report/responding and ideas and philosophies, etc. When things go good I have every
intent to reward software heroes like RMS and PM and Petko, but things do not always go according to plan.
</rant mode off>

--gnuzoo

I have responded to 01524 and 01528; please see the explanation of priorities above.

Older PITS entries that have not been updated recently are considered inactive and are excluded from the main list. There is no need to manually tag them.

Documentation Talk pages are intended for questions and improvements to the documentation. PITS is the appropriate place for change requests, as it allows separate discussion and evaluation of actual need and community support.

Pm pays for the hosting, but development and support work is contributed on a volunteer basis. The choice of using PITS does not change that.

If you need a specific combination of features or behavior, you are welcome to create and maintain a bundle of recipes or configurations that implements it, and share it with others who may find it useful. The number of users who adopt it (for example by listing themselves on a *-Users page) can serve as an indication of its usefulness.

Work is in progress to add audio and video embedding to the core. In the meantime, this functionality is available through existing recipes (such as Ape). Please see the priorities explained above.

Regarding Attach:, for security reasons the core restricts uploads to directories derived from group and page names. This is intentional. Custom recipes can modify this behavior if needed, however this entry is not the place to discuss it. Petko